Reports from Child and Family "Services" or DSS

Well I heard all the stories about how these bureaucracies have gotten out of control and are just rubber stamps for whatever agenda the judge wants. I heard how some average $5,000 per month for every homeless child they can create. How they came up with opinions that were 100% based on hearsay (boy is that true), which is not even admissible in any real court of law, and how they had financial incentives to separate parents from their children. However, until I was told my report was "completed" today without even interviewing me, or seeing me with my children, I thought they would at least go through the motions and not be so arrogant as to file a report without even meeting me.

Well - SURPRISE, SURPRISE these folks are totally psychic and come to conclusions without both sides of the story - as long as it is the mothers. They don't need any of those pesky things like communications, fair play and hearing both sides to complete their investigations. So even though I have not even seen this report yet - I already know it must be totally bogus - as no reasonable person would file a report on someone without at least interviewing them, and ideally seeing them interact with their own kids.

Well I just got back from reading it and it is pretty much what I expected, reading "this reporter with only one-side of the story has no choice but to recommend full custody to mother" - all without even picking up the phone to call dad, telling him the report was available for review of any such pesky process to ensure input from all sides.

Here are some other comments from people who have seen this process first hand: (more unbelievable stuff)

The report is written to a Judge and is not copied in theory,  (WINK, WINK! ) by anyone.  Everyone copies but just pretends they did not. Making notes could be comprehensive as dictating into a machine - i.e. you can dictate the whole thing.  I know one guy who took a small portable scanner in and copied in the hallway.  Maybe he can loan you the scanner or tell you the brand.

The report will replete with hearsay which is not checked by those involved. It is a good way to get hearsay into the record if the hearsay favors you.  Be aware. 
The Probate officer's chief qualification is a relative  in the legislature - its a patronage job as I hear it.
The job of the probation officer is to input the kids perspective into the process.   My GAL got confused and thought it was a "Roast " of the father.  I was so mad at the GAL after I read her report I could have done terrible things.  I was very insulted at the whole thing. There was no balance, no fairness or any pretended effort at it.
Be prepared to take the PO into court and cross examine thoroughly.

When an expert in family law was asked: "Well as a Pro Se shouldn't you have the same rights as any lawyer to copy these reports?"

Ha Ha.
All of them have the nerve to do whatever they want. Deny you minor civilities and deny you your most fundamental rights, you income, your property and your children.
We need to stop, to stop this tyranny...We need to get the message out to the public to stand against these people
You can't make a Xerox copy (i.e. a copy machine). You can make a handwritten copy or even bring in a tape recorder to record your reading of it.
No Xerox copies otherwise you may let the public know precisely what the 'GAL or family services officer said -and perhaps discredit her words in some way. (lawyers can make a Xerox of the report though)
Yes, it's all a load of crap to do two things: 1) make it seem so official and professional determining that you shouldn't have custody. and 2) a way for the system to make more money for more of their services.

I have wrestled with whether to participate or not either.  If I do participate, I hold no illusions about 'educating' these buffoons to see the light of day.  They are COMPLETELY incompetent at best, TOTALLY corrupt at worst.  I tend to think they are more incompetent than corrupt, although I think they are both.  Have you ever had a conversation with a state employee about anything?  These people are mentally deficient.

Rob, I disagree completely. I'm glad your situation worked out, but I think that DSS is the most incompetent government or quasi-government agency that there is, and they are corrupt on top of that. There main mission is to get funding, and the more fathers they find to be in neglectful or abusive the more money they can justify demanding, and getting, from us the taxpayers.

A state cannot foreclose the exercise of constitutional rights by mere labels.
 BIGELOW V. VIRGINIA, 95 S.Ct. 2222, 421 U.S. 809 (1975)
Call it what you want,  but it still a government agent interfering with a parent and his children's interaction.   And likely non-professional one which just adds to the seriousness of the problem.

It is impossible to read this report below and NOT come to the conclusion
that child protection services ARE essentially EVIL, and that the welfare of
children everywhere would be better served if such agencies were to suddenly

I say that it is primarily DSS management that is evil but that there are also, at least, a few intelligent and honest caseworkers caught between a rock and you know what.
Most of these workers, like one female that I had, end up quitting for moral reasons because they are forced to act against policy.

----- Original Message -----
From: "James Nollet" <JNollet@WORLDNET.ATT.NET
Sent: Sunday, May 14, 2006 2:49 AM
Subject: Re: Never heard of Fathers Rights problem??

 D-SS IS evil!

 Even by YOUR standard below, it is EVIL!

 Who among us DOESN'T have a "slightest bit of negative history"? To say
 that D-SS will side with you up to the point they find that you have the
 slightest of smudges is like saying they'll never be on your side.

 And moreover, it is EVIL to pay its own caseworkers too little, for that
 leads to incompetent caseworkers.

 And who becomes a caseworker anyway? Who would willingly throw away the
 time and money needed to obtain a college degree when the degree in social
 work doesn't pay peanuts?

 I'll answer that. Caseworkers are sub-normal in intelligence The reason
 they pursue degrees in such a soft, non-rigorous field like social studies
 is because they're too damned dumb to succeed in a hard-science field
 where one either has to PROVE mastery subject matter or fail.



They do graduate, and it's scary,,

>> six weeks of training and another three months in the field.

May 14, 2006 On NY1 Now:

New Class Of Children's Services Workers Graduates


A new class of Administration for Children's Services workers graduated Tuesday as part of an initiative to improve the system following the death of 7-year-old Nixzmary Brown in January.

About 175 new child protective case workers graduated in a ceremony at Hunter College after completing six weeks of training and another three months in the field.

“You will make decisions that in some cases will literally mean the difference between life and death for a child or survival or collapse of a family. That is a staggering responsibility,” said ACS Commissioner John Mattingly.

Put this in perspective.
1. DSS is a State Agency that has employees.
2. The state agency needs to fund its operations or the employees will lose their jobs.
3. The federal government provides free-for-all spending incentives and grants through
     Title IV-D of the Social Security Act.
4. The state agency gets more money if they can demonstrate mass absent parents.
5. The focus then becomes instead of doing their job, they conform to the method that serves them best at acquiring funding.
The method at acquiring funding is evil. Add means testing to this free welfare program (Title IV-D) you have disarmed them by shrinking their size (controlling the purse) and ensuring that they do not grow beyond control.
Go to and review the story about ABC24 uncovering another child support scam and you will see what I mean. These agencies are blindly performing job duties not to help children but to help fund their agency.
Lary Holland


Abuse of Children by inappropriate Removal From Homes and Parents Common